HIV/AIDS Skepticism

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HIV, AIDS, and age: HIV/AIDS theory is wrong

Posted by Henry Bauer on 2009/01/23

People between 35 and 45 years of age are most affected in everything to do with HIV/AIDS: testing “HIV-positive”, living with HIV/AIDS, being diagnosed with AIDS, dying from “HIV disease”. That should astonish anyone who thinks about it. In and of itself, this indicts HIV/AIDS theory as wrong.

When first named in the early 1980s, AIDS was diagnosed in people (largely men) whose average age was in the mid-30s (A). That already throws into serious doubt the notion that AIDS is brought about by a sexually transmitted agent, because it’s teenagers and people in their early twenties who are most prone to incur sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) or infections (STIs) (B).

At that time, the early 1980s, death was believed to follow within a few years of “infection” — recall, for example, that the airline steward “Patient Zero” had been held responsible for the spread of AIDS because he had been promiscuously sexually active, only months earlier, in places where the illness first became prominent (C). But even if one projects into the past the current much longer estimate of about 10 years for the “latent period” between “infection” and illness, one is still forced to infer that the maximum risk of getting “infected” with “HIV” had been for individuals in their mid-20s, which remains significantly later than is the general experience with STDs.

There is direct evidence, however, contradicting any speculation that infection by “HIV” is most likely among people as young as the mid-20s. The results of “HIV” tests at public testing sites (roughly 2 million tests annually) have been reported, by age, from 1995 to 2004 (D). Calculated from those data, the median age of those testing positive increased gradually from 34 in 1995 to 37.5  in 2004; even extrapolating that trend back to 1980 brings the median age down no lower than 29. Not that those tested were for some reason concentrated in the mid-30s age group: the median age of those tested was 27.8 in 1995 and 28.7 in 2004. The mid-30s age of those testing “HIV-positive” has to do in some manner with the “HIV” tests, it is not an artefact of the ages of those who were tested.

So not just AIDS diagnoses and “HIV disease” deaths are most encountered in people aged between the mid-30s and mid-40s, so are positive “HIV” tests — all occur at least a decade later than the usual age of maximum risk for an STD.

Of course, the age at which the first positive “HIV”-test is reported is not the age at which “infection” or seroconversion occurred. However, the first report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in which time of new “infection” is estimated by a recently developed scheme yielded 35.1 as the median age of “first infection” in 2006 (E), once more: a good decade-and-a-half older than where STDs usually strike with greatest frequency. Comparing that 35.1 with the 37.5  for first positive test in 2004 suggests a difference of no more than 2 or 3 years on average between “new infection” and first positive test, which is entirely plausible, since individuals who suspect themselves to be at risk are likely to seek testing rather frequently, especially after risky encounters. That first positive tests come at a median age in the mid-30s or somewhat later is not compatible with the hypothesis that a positive “HIV”-test signifies a sexually transmitted infection.

(I had become convinced that “HIV” is not an infection upon seeing how regularly the rate of testing “HIV-positive” varies with age, sex, and race. For that reason, I’ve remained interested in those variables. So I note here that the median age for testing “HIV-positive” in this population (D) was 1.6 years greater for white men than for white women, and 1.8 years greater for black men than black women; for black men it was 1.1 years greater than for white men, and for black women 0.9 years greater than for white women —  perhaps ±20% in each case.)

In 1995, the median age for new diagnoses of AIDS was 37.3, in 2004 it was 40.7 (E). Thus the average interval between greatest probability of a first positive “HIV” test and of a new AIDS diagnosis was only 3.3 years in 1995 and 3.8 years in 2004, about one third of the putative “latent period”. Even adding the possible 2 to 3 years between “new infection” and first positive test leaves the interval at a half or two thirds of the postulated latent period. Even if one over-simplifies drastically, and suggests that “new infections” of those first testing positive in 1995 occurred at average ages of 31-32 to produce most of the deaths in 2004 at average age 45, that offers no hint of any prolongation of the purported 10-year latent period during this period in which HAART is supposed to have provided life-saving benefits extending life spans by anywhere from 7 years initially to several decades now.

It’s surely a truly strange situation. The first AIDS cases, in the early 1980s, were among people in their mid-30s. Two decades later, it’s still people in their mid-30s who are most likely to test positive for the purported agent that supposedly produces AIDS on average roughly a decade after “infection” — with the added oddity that “AIDS” seems to strike within significantly less than a decade after “infection”, despite firm claims that treatment successfully staves off illness. On the face of it, this is so incompatible with HIV/AIDS theory as to effectively falsify it.

But that’s far from all. Not only positive “HIV” tests and new diagnoses of “AIDS” peak among people in their mid-30s to mid-40s, so do deaths ascribed to HIV/AIDS. The median age for those deaths was 35.8 in 1982, increasing gradually to 45 in 2004 [Table 2 in “HAART saves lives — but doesn’t prolong them!?”, 17 September 2008].

Here are all those numbers again:


A more complete argument to the same conclusion considers not just median ages but the whole age distributions [“HIV Disease” is not an illness, 19 March 2008; “Incongruous age distributions of HIV infections and deaths from HIV disease: Where is the latent period between HIV infection and AIDS?”, Journal of American Physicians & Surgeons 13 [#3, Fall 2008] 77-81);  How “AIDS Deaths” and “HIV Infections” Vary with Age — and WHY, 15 September 2008]. The age distribution of first positive test must be broader than that for initial “infection”, because those “infected” at a given time will seek testing over a range of time. For the same reason, the age distribution for illness must be broader again, and that for deaths broader still. The actual data, however, show the age distribution of deaths to be, if anything, narrower than the others [No HIV “latent period”: dotting i’s and crossing t’s, 21 September 2008]:

2hivdeathsmidline (widths were estimated at half peak height,
not where the horizontal lines are in the figure)

Moreover, all the age distributions have shifted very little over the years, as illustrated by the very gradual shift in median ages [and see Figures 2a,b in “No HIV ‘latent period’: dotting i’s and crossing t’s”, 21 September 2008.]. The age distribution of deaths has remained, throughout, virtually superposable on the age distributions of first positive tests, and of diagnoses of illness, — which thereby demonstrates both lack of any significant “latent period” and lack of any significant life-extension from antiretroviral drugs.

Beyond all that: the age distribution of deaths is, in and of itself, independently of the argument above, a strike against HIV/AIDS theory. In all illnesses and diseases, among those who are stricken it is young-to-middle-aged adults who survive better than do older adults or very young children [see, for example, for influenza, Figure I in “Living with HIV; Dying from What?”, 10 December 2008]. With “HIV/AIDS”, however, that is not at all the case: the probability of dying from “HIV disease” among those who are “infected” does not increase rapidly with increasing age [see Table II  in the same post as Figure I].

Nothing about age and HIV/AIDS makes any sense. The numbers simply don’t add up — or, rather, they add up to a resounding disproof, a series of disproofs, of the misguided hypothesis that “HIV” caused “AIDS”.


A few sources for this are cited at pp. 87-88 in The Origin, Persistence and Failings of HIV/AIDS Theory. The annual “Health, United States” reports show the median age for new diagnoses of AIDS to have increased gradually from 35.1 in 1982, reaching 41 by 2005  [Table 2 in HAART saves lives — but doesn’t prolong them!?, 17 September 2008].

For example:
“Sexually Transmitted Disease Surveillance, 2007
STDs in Adolescents and Young Adults
Compared to older adults, sexually-active adolescents 15 to 19 years of age and young adults 20 to 24 years of age are at higher risk for acquiring STDs for a combination of behavioral, biological, and cultural reasons. For some STDs, for example, Chlamydia trachomatis, adolescent women may have a physiologically increased susceptibility to infection due to increased cervical ectopy. The higher prevalence of STDs among adolescents also reflects multiple barriers to accessing quality STD prevention services, including lack of insurance or other ability to pay, lack of transportation, discomfort with facilities and services designed for adults, and concerns about confidentiality. Recent estimates suggest that while representing 25% of the ever sexually active population, 15 to 24 year-olds acquire nearly half of all new STDs.”

“Report: Student STD risk hits 50%
North Carolina researchers found nearly half of all STD cases in the United States occur in 15 to 24 year olds” by Lisa Catto

“Recent surveys in several countries have shown that the prevalence of STDs is higher among women under 20. In general, adolescent males and females, are at greater risk for contracting STDs”, citing Brabin et al., Lancet, 345 [1995] 300-4; Duncan et al., Lancet 335 [1990] 338-40; Duncan et al., Central Africa Journal of Medicine 40 [1994] 234-44; Lema et al., East African Medical Journal 71 [1994] 122-8.

“Sexually experienced adolescents less than 19 years of age are at greater risk for the acquisition of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) and typically have higher STD rates than other age-specific groups. Nationally, this population accounted for about a quarter of all reportable STDs”; project on HIV/STD Risk Reduction for African American Adolescents, Kaye Sly (Principal Investigator) Jackson State University, Mississippi

(C) Randy Shilts, And the band played on: politics, people, and the AIDS epidemic, St. Martin’s, 1987.

(D) Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: HIV counseling and testing in publicly funded sites: 1995 summary report (September 1997);  1996 annual report (May 1998); annual report 1997 and 1998 (2001); HIV counseling and testing at CDC-supported sites —United States, 1999–2004 (2006);

(E) “Subpopulation Estimates from the HIV Incidence Surveillance System — United States, 2006”, MMWR 57 #36 [12 September 2008] 985-9, see Table E at p. 987. Lack of data for ages ≤13 is unlikely to add seriously to the considerable uncertainties associated with how new infections are estimated; for instance, at public testing sites, 1999-2004 (see citation in reference (D)), HIV-positives under 13 made up only about 0.1% of white HIV-positives and about 2% of black HIV-positives.

(F) Table 2, HAART saves lives — but doesn’t prolong them!?, 17 September 2008

9 Responses to “HIV, AIDS, and age: HIV/AIDS theory is wrong”

  1. Sadun Kal said

    Hi Prof. Bauer,

    Just wanted to make sure: Are you aware that you’re the main subject on Snout’s new blog?

    • Henry Bauer said

      Sadun Kal:

      Thanks. I did know, because I have a Google Alert that usually notifies me when my blog is mentioned somewhere. It’s rather flattering to have a whole blog devoted to trying to answer my case; though, as usual, my case is not being addressed, it’s just notpicking trivialities. Here’s my case, as I summarized it a couple of days ago for an e-mail enquirer:
      “The demographics of positive HIV tests are unlike those of any infectious agent, and frequency of positive tests does not correlate with incidence of AIDS; set out fully in The Origin, Persistence and Failings of HIV/AIDS Theory (McFarland 2007).
      Since writing the book I have found further supporting data in the US data on deaths from ‘HIV disease’, see posts on my blog, the age distribution of positive HIV tests superposes on the age distribution of deaths; the risk of death alleged to be from HIV disease does not increase exponentially with age in the manner found in all other diseases and in all-cause mortality. The HIV tests do not detect specifically a retrovirus.”

      I’m also amused by Snout and his ilk as they criticize AIDS Rethinkers, including specifically myself, because we’ve never done actual research in AIDS, when they themselves remain anonymous to hide their lack of achievements or credentials, or when they happen to be economists or psychologists, lacking even a background in science.

      I’m reminded by these vigilantes of someone’s statement — I think G. K. Chesterton or Malcolm Muggeridge — that they became converted to Christianity by the very bad arguments of those who were arguing against it. The Rethinking AIDS case gets stronger every time our opponents fail to address the central points we make.

  2. MacDonald said

    Heheh, I hate to say not all of Snout’s attempts are bullseyes. I find myself wading through knee-deep hay from all the strawmen he’s demolished to find the occasional valid (though not really on target) point.

    Snout might have wondered for a second why none of “Bauer and Friends” can’t be bothered responding to all his debunking, before satisfying himself that it’s because we’ve been utterly shamed. Let’s preserve that all-round happy state of affairs as long as we can, shall we?

    In the meantime, it is indeed amusing that psycho-profiling dissidents seems to be the only thing going on in the Comments section. How’s that for hardcore science?

    Congratulations to you, Sadun, for picking the company you wish to be seen in with great care, as always. You are one of two inhabitants of Snoutworld, the other being JT DeShong.

  3. Matt said

    Yes, Snout is capable of making a valid point. However, the bulk of the blog doesn’t even merit a comment from me. One would have to read and reread his blog several times to find a valid point, and I simply lack the time. However, with Deshong rapidly becoming ridiculous, it seems I may take my urge to debunk AIDS junkies to Snoutsworld.

  4. Sadun Kal said

    I’m not sure I got your point. I just try to observe whatever is happening. I don’t care about how people see me that much.

  5. MacDonald said


    Observe away! observe away! I may have a deranged sense of humour, but I happen to find it amusing that you feel you have to sign up as a “follower” to observe these people. I fancy I keep up pretty well, and I have not even signed up for the “Friends of HIV/AIDS Denialist Henry H. Bauer” Circle, although Snout has apparently located one.

    Matt, good luck to you because, like all Friends of AIDStruthdotcom aspiring to full membership, Snout has decided that his blog is not a denialist soap box. In other words, your Comments won’t be published unless Snout feels sure he can demolish your arguments. You could of course take it as a sort of intelligence test: the more Comments of yours that get published on Snoutworld, the more stupid you are perceived to be.

    Not counting Snout himself, I believe DeShong and Chris Noble are tied in the lead at the moment.

  6. Sadun Kal said

    I understand. Becoming a “follower” makes it technically easier to keep an eye on them.

    Yesterday I stopped “following” DeShong though; I was hoping that he may be able to offer some kind of significant criticism, but I had to conclude that he’s just obsessed with attacking all there is about HIV/AIDS skepticism. It was turning into a pure waste of time with all the unsubstantiated claims and jumping to conclusions. Unfortunately he’s too biased to realize that himself. Even if some of his critique may be justified, it’s too much work to filter through the whole mess so I stopped paying attention.

    I didn’t yet read anything Snout posted on his blog, so I’m keeping an open mind for now. But alone the fact he uses the word “denialist” is enough to destroy his scientific credibility in my opinion. Nevertheless I’ll try to focus on the credibility of his arguments when I can find the time to read his material.

    • Henry Bauer said

      Sadun Kal:

      Keep on doing what you did with DeShong: read and listen, think about it, and make up your mind.

      That’s what MacDonald and I and many other HIV Skeptics and AIDS Rethinkers did with HIV/AIDS—but the fact that we formed our opinions on the basis of evidence doesn’t mean that you, or anyone else, should simply accept our points of view.

      I want people to read my book and to think about the evidence and then to follow up by reading elsewhere and eventually to form their own opinions. The only way we can be comfortable with our own beliefs is if we have formed them consciously. People like Kalichman or DeShong get so emotional, so apoplectic, when their beliefs are contradicted because subconsciously they are aware that they have simply accepted other people’s views on faith and can’t defend their beliefs rationally.

  7. MacDonald said

    Sadun, if you are “following” Snout, you may have noticed a most remarkable case of collective amnesia. Look at these Comments to Snout’s latest post repeating he same old shallow objections to Prof. Bauer’s HIV demographics argument:

    Here the Three Stooges are having a private-universe session deploring that nobody has ever defended Bauer’s arguments against Snout’s “Killer Counter-Argument”. A couple of minutes browsing of this blog will show how absurd that premise is. But even more amazingly, Steve N seems to have clean forgotten that his first major clash with Rethinkers was over this very issue. Even more amusingly, when the cavalry arrived to help poor Steve out, it was led by… you guessed it, none other than Snout himself. Even Chris Noble makes a guest appearance.
    “Bauer’s Friends” are Interpunct and Rune.
    PP 13-17

    There’s a lot of “noise” on that thread, but you really do have to live in a private universe to claim that Bauer’s “HIV Demographics” argument was not defended — memorably and with some success.

    If this example doesn’t show you that “following” the pseudo-debunker blogs is only for laughs, I give up.

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