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	<description>Pointing to evidence that HIV is not the necessary and sufficient cause of AIDS</description>
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		<title>Comment on Other things being equal . . . . by Sabine Kalitzkus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabine Kalitzkus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... there are more people living with HIV than ever before as people are living longer due to the beneficial effects of antiretroviral therapy &lt;b&gt;and population growth&lt;/b&gt;&quot;, says &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unaids.org/en/KnowledgeCentre/Resources/FeatureStories/archive/2009/20091124_pr_EpiUpdate.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UNAIDS&lt;/a&gt;.

Ooops ... should condoms really work counterproductively when it comes to saving lives?

The magicians continue: &quot;UNAIDS and WHO estimate that since the availability of effective treatment in 1996, some 2.9 million lives have been saved.&quot;

Reality check: &quot;HIV&quot; has a latency period of ten years. Therefore people who became &quot;infected&quot; during the past decade, should not be included in the calculation, because they are still healthy. For convenience purposes I just put the 2.9 million people on ten years of HAART. HAART costs about 20,000 dollars per patient per year. That makes 580 TRILLION dollars to keep 2.9 million &quot;infected&quot; people breathing for ten years.

Who paid for that?

There are possibly some more miracles in the new &lt;a href=&quot;http://data.unaids.org/pub/Report/2009/2009_epidemic_update_en.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2009 AIDS epidemic update&lt;/a&gt; by UNAIDS.

But don&#039;t take the miracles too seriously, as...

&quot;UNAIDS and WHO do not warrant that the information contained in this publication is complete and correct and shall not be liable for any damages incurred as a result of its use.&quot;

In other words: This publication is as incomplete and incorrect as any other fairy tale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; there are more people living with HIV than ever before as people are living longer due to the beneficial effects of antiretroviral therapy <b>and population growth</b>&#8220;, says <a href="http://www.unaids.org/en/KnowledgeCentre/Resources/FeatureStories/archive/2009/20091124_pr_EpiUpdate.asp" rel="nofollow">UNAIDS</a>.</p>
<p>Ooops &#8230; should condoms really work counterproductively when it comes to saving lives?</p>
<p>The magicians continue: &#8220;UNAIDS and WHO estimate that since the availability of effective treatment in 1996, some 2.9 million lives have been saved.&#8221;</p>
<p>Reality check: &#8220;HIV&#8221; has a latency period of ten years. Therefore people who became &#8220;infected&#8221; during the past decade, should not be included in the calculation, because they are still healthy. For convenience purposes I just put the 2.9 million people on ten years of HAART. HAART costs about 20,000 dollars per patient per year. That makes 580 TRILLION dollars to keep 2.9 million &#8220;infected&#8221; people breathing for ten years.</p>
<p>Who paid for that?</p>
<p>There are possibly some more miracles in the new <a href="http://data.unaids.org/pub/Report/2009/2009_epidemic_update_en.pdf" rel="nofollow">2009 AIDS epidemic update</a> by UNAIDS.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t take the miracles too seriously, as&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;UNAIDS and WHO do not warrant that the information contained in this publication is complete and correct and shall not be liable for any damages incurred as a result of its use.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words: This publication is as incomplete and incorrect as any other fairy tale.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Other things being equal . . . . by Sadun Kal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sadun Kal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we should start a Dissident Hacking Academy of some sort... Oh it&#039;s probably too late now. I bet HIVers will take precautions after this incident. But wouldn&#039;t it be truly extremely awesome if something like this had happened to Moore&#039;s email address? Alone the dream of such transparency in the HIV/AIDS field is very exciting.

But on the other hand: HIVers are already behaving in a clearly unscientific fashion. They do so publicly, without fear or hesitation. This is acceptable behavior when it comes to what is generally perceived as &quot;fighting denialism&quot;. So I guess we&#039;re facing huge obstacles, perhaps bigger than the obstacles any group of scientific dissidents ever faced, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we should start a Dissident Hacking Academy of some sort&#8230; Oh it&#8217;s probably too late now. I bet HIVers will take precautions after this incident. But wouldn&#8217;t it be truly extremely awesome if something like this had happened to Moore&#8217;s email address? Alone the dream of such transparency in the HIV/AIDS field is very exciting.</p>
<p>But on the other hand: HIVers are already behaving in a clearly unscientific fashion. They do so publicly, without fear or hesitation. This is acceptable behavior when it comes to what is generally perceived as &#8220;fighting denialism&#8221;. So I guess we&#8217;re facing huge obstacles, perhaps bigger than the obstacles any group of scientific dissidents ever faced, no?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Family of Rethinking AIDS by Henry Bauer</title>
		<link>http://hivskeptic.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/the-family-of-rethinking-aids/#comment-4819</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imminent-danger-denying Sabine:  THANK YOU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imminent-danger-denying Sabine:  THANK YOU.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Family of Rethinking AIDS by Sabine Kalitzkus</title>
		<link>http://hivskeptic.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/the-family-of-rethinking-aids/#comment-4818</link>
		<dc:creator>Sabine Kalitzkus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry,

Being conscious of, but denying the imminent danger to embarrass you even more (well, I&#039;m one of the &quot;denialists&quot;, so I can&#039;t help it), I&#039;d like to say this:

In my opinion it is not important at all, &lt;i&gt;for how long&lt;/i&gt; somebody has been a part of this Family, or &lt;i&gt;how many&lt;/i&gt; so-called scientific papers somebody has produced at his assembly line –-- not the quantity of the work is important, but the &lt;i&gt;quality&lt;/i&gt; of it. My favorite of the many thousands of utterly superfluous and utterly stupid non-scientific papers certainly being the study about the fantasized protective properties of male circumcision against &quot;infection&quot; with &quot;HIV&quot;, regardless of the study subject using a condom or not.

As I&#039;m just reading your book, it is beyond me, how anybody who has reached page 19 or 20 of it could still continue to believe that &quot;HIV&quot; has anything to do with AIDS. It is impossible –-- unless the believer has lost 95% of his brain cells.

I agree with Brian –-- it is an overwhelming contribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry,</p>
<p>Being conscious of, but denying the imminent danger to embarrass you even more (well, I&#8217;m one of the &#8220;denialists&#8221;, so I can&#8217;t help it), I&#8217;d like to say this:</p>
<p>In my opinion it is not important at all, <i>for how long</i> somebody has been a part of this Family, or <i>how many</i> so-called scientific papers somebody has produced at his assembly line –&#8211; not the quantity of the work is important, but the <i>quality</i> of it. My favorite of the many thousands of utterly superfluous and utterly stupid non-scientific papers certainly being the study about the fantasized protective properties of male circumcision against &#8220;infection&#8221; with &#8220;HIV&#8221;, regardless of the study subject using a condom or not.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;m just reading your book, it is beyond me, how anybody who has reached page 19 or 20 of it could still continue to believe that &#8220;HIV&#8221; has anything to do with AIDS. It is impossible –&#8211; unless the believer has lost 95% of his brain cells.</p>
<p>I agree with Brian –&#8211; it is an overwhelming contribution.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Family of Rethinking AIDS by Henry Bauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Carter:  Thank you! I feel enormously privileged to be a member of the Family I could mingle with in Oakland. As I responded to Celia Farber a little while ago, I&#039;m rather embarrassed when I get compliments about my involvement because so many of you have been working at it for so much longer, and above all have been damaged grievoulsy and in several ways, which I have not. (I&#039;m not asking to become a martyr, though  :-)  .)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Carter:  Thank you! I feel enormously privileged to be a member of the Family I could mingle with in Oakland. As I responded to Celia Farber a little while ago, I&#8217;m rather embarrassed when I get compliments about my involvement because so many of you have been working at it for so much longer, and above all have been damaged grievoulsy and in several ways, which I have not. (I&#8217;m not asking to become a martyr, though  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   .)</p>
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